EQUIS & FERRET

Equis: You are sitting pretty in a great position for the long term and you will prosper due to owning shares in natural resources…real things…as opposed to owning shares in the financial sector or even the Dow. GOD BLESS.

Ferret: Yes, surely agreed that we go with the general market…until we don’t! The classic example is Homestake mining which initially crashed with the Dow in the early 1930’s and then completely seperated and blasted up. In order to get to a Richard Russel, et all, Dow/Gold ratio of 1/1 we have to Eventually seperate. I think that that time is near but, not yet.

samb (22:02) You say scary times. You say troubling.

I agree that present circumstances are very troubling and scary financially for my wife and I, now retired in our 70’s and unable to resurrect the business we built up and which sustained us for 35 years. But the troubling and scary part is that we hang on hopefully to our PM holdings, our natgas holdings, and our uranium and Taseko holdings - all in my opinion part of the ‘faint hope’ mantra, because quite frankly I wouldnt know where else to invest if it wasnt related to silver, gold, uranium, copper, and natural gas. That’s what happens when you get into a narrow band of investment choices with tunnel vision. That’s the dice one rolls late in life and that’s the tunnel we are in. We hope we will come out of the tunnel in satisfactory financial condition for later years in our life. Cheers. Equiz.

Samb, one of the fundamentals is that PM stocks are trashed with the rest.

So any crash will be bad for PM shareholders.  JMO, but we’ve seen it too many times for it to be ignored.  Then the logical  fundamentals come into play for the PM companies, and good cos. SPs will rocket with the POG (actually, bad PM SPs will probably rocket too).

Sinbad

No question that you are correct,imo, from a Fundamental standpoint. There is also, a shorter term trading aspect and that is what scares me. A General Market smash up in here now could drag the PM stocks HEAVY down. And while all the longer term fundamentals scream out favorably let’ not forget the pain of last summers PM dive…despite those fundamentals.

My 2 cents

After sitting tight for a few years (some since 267.00/oz)and watching the crazy gold markets, i can’t get too excited about today.I have seen times I really needed the cash, but did not sell my “insurance” to the cretins.TA is great and I admire the hard work and diligence of sckpak and others (past and present posters-(sad! So many have left who were valuable contributors)Gold bounces around and confounds everyone, but the time will arrive I feel when an event (read Jim Wilie and JS for clues-China has a plan for us-Obama plans to give Chinese plans to the Stealth Bomber so he can fund some vote buying programs-and it gets worse) will change the game and everything financial will be turned on it’s head. Meanwhile gold falls as equities fall, dollar rise as safe haven and none of it all defies logic. But, look at devaluations in Europe in the 1930’s due to debt defaults, Argentina 2001 and Vietnam recently which banned gold imports to fight inflation. We got biggest troubles here in US and the bill will come due..Obamatrons, Cartels, Bankers, POliticians, Street together cannot suspend the laws of economics forever. No country has. It’s coming and could be only a mattter of months. When the screw turns-best have some insurance since it will not be available at any price for awhile. Could be wrong and gold crashes with the equity and commodity markets-but it all is a sham. What has real value does not change. Deals on soverigns tonight.

UBER Scary Time Right Now

For me at least, referring to the HUI/XAU indexes. Weekly sell signal last week but, I’m hanging in there for a few more days with the hope that we can U-Turn up. Cycle turn point of about Sept 15 scares me in here because if this is a confirmed down move then we have a month to go and that would at least threaten and probably break below the early July lows.

The only positive that I can see in here is the the Daily charts are deeply oversold and due for a strong bounce back either Tue/ Wed or both. Usually I am out of here by now. This time I’m hanging on long.  Troubling!

Floridagold Re: A Cohen

With a record like that you have to wonder how GS is making such amazing profits…………….guess it’s just their clients that are loosing as they get them to take the other side of their trades and Abbey is the guru to listen to.

Clients loose……………..firm wins…………..shareholders win…………….shareholders are mostly employees……………good gig!

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fg, that’s fine by me. We know what to do now.


puptent

feel free to pimp my charts also.

Just remember, I am not a financial advisor, nor do I play one on TV!   :-)

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID1842373&cmd=show[s106124074]&disp=P

Calling Reuters, CNBC And Goldman On The Carpet: AJC

When, oh when, will we see accuracy in media among the so-called “mainstream reporters”?

A prime example from today - Goldman’s Cohen call on the markets:

Goldman Sachs sees the benchmark Standard & Poor’s 500 index in a range of 1,050-1,100 toward year-end, said Cohen, the firm’s senior investment strategist and president of its Global Markets Institute. That range, she said, “is where we should be toward the end of this year.

“We do think the new bull market has begun,” Cohen said. “It may prove it began in March of this year.”

Read the rest of the article.  Nowhere will you see reference to Cohen’s actual record - including her disastrous and similar call just last year:

But Abby Joseph Cohen, the superbull at Goldman Sachs, maintained that the Dow would roar back to finish 2008 at a level 22 percent higher — 14,750 is the number — as the economy perks up later in the year.

The economy “perks up” through the year?

If you listened to Abby Cohen in January of 2008, when the Dow was at 12,000 and change, you lost over 3,000 DOW points, or 25%, as opposed to gaining 22%, for a total error of nearly FIFTY PERCENT .vs. her prognostication.

By any measurement this is a catastrophically-bad performance and if your portfolio was invested “per her recommendations” you got destroyed.

Yet the Tout Media is absolutely silent and holds Cohen forth as some sort of “Guru” instead of pointing out (justifiably so) that her last call was best traded in the opposite direction - that is, when they said to buy you should have instead gone short!

I note that in 1999 and early 2000 Cohen also made a series of disastrously-bad calls, one of the most important being right here on 7/3/2000:

When looking for reassurance, investors have been able to turn to Abby Joseph Cohen. This time is no different. Cohen, one of Wall Street’s most prominent bulls, remains upbeat on stocks despite a slowdown  in corporate profits. “What matters most is that profits are sustainable and durable, which we think they are,” she says. Still, the Goldman Sachs strategist stresses that “gains in stock prices will be less robust” than in recent years.

garrow.gif (184 bytes)Forecast: Cohen predicts the Dow will end the year at 12,600 vs. 10,398 and the S&P 500 at 1575, vs. 1442 now. She expects the Nasdaq, now at 3877, to lag.

Actual results?

On 12/31/2000 the SPX closed at 1320 and the DOW closed at 10,646. 

Far worse, if you held on the S&P and Dow (along with the Nasdaq) were just starting their bear market decline - a decline that crushed you in the next two years, with the S&P declining to under 800!

How does “Tout Media” manage to get away with this?  Why do their advertisers and viewers and readers put up with this?

How many hundreds of billions of investor dollars need to be lost before the people rise up and demand accountability and an HONEST reporting of these Touts’ record on their PAST calls before they give public air to their CURRENT ones?

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sckpak

greatly appreciate your tutorial on the 8-21 ema.  I’m looking into that one.  Here is a daily chart on gold that implies upside from here also.  My timing was a little off (as usual), but if the pattern holds, should start moving up from here.

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID1842373&cmd=show[s83100039]&disp=P

That 8/11/09 date is when I last annotated the chart.

y2kdon

The Second Wave of The Depression: Hyperinflation is Likely

Webster Tarpley
Infowars
August 17, 2009

Link: http://www.infowars.com/the-second-wave-of-the-depression-hyperinflation-is-likely/

                   BANKRUN ON UNION BANK

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The second wave of the world economic depression is coming soon. Larry Summers, the economics czar of the Wall Street puppet regime currently in power in Washington, recently confessed to the Financial Times in an unguarded moment: “I don’t think the worst is over ..” A few weeks earlier, Jacques Attali, who served in the 1980s as the main economics adviser to French President Mitterrand, told an audience at the International Economic and Financial Forum (FIEF) in Paris that the world might well soon face a planetary Weimar “in the form of a hyperinflationary depression similar to the German events of 1922 – 1923.

My Comment - I have read this piece but as of yet have not decided if I’m in agreement with the proposed solution that is presented.  I will need to read this again very closely and then give it some thought.  My immediate thought is that this proposal is not the solution needed because it fails to address some important areas of concern - at least for me.  Would like to hear the opinions of others on this.

I just spent a few minute reading some of the comments given under the article.  It appears there are others who are questioning Tarpley on this issue and have some serious reservations concerning his proposed solutions.  I guess my immediate reaction was right.

Strange

We just recently were conversing about the 60’s and 70’s and what did I now see showing on the History Channel - Woodstock Now and Then.  They must have been reading the gold tent and wanted to participate in the discussion.

Help needed

I like to use Big Charts for some of my charting needs but I have never been able to find a directory that gives all the symbols plus descriptions.  I’ve looked and looked on the site but either they do not have one, do not offer access to view, or I’m just not able to locate it.  I discovered the symbol for gold by accident when someone once posted a chart and I took it from there.  That is why and how I was able to post the charts in the earlier post.  I would like to do it for others but as I said, I do not know the symbols.  Therefore if there is anyone here who has access or can provide me with instructions as to where to locate their symbols directory, I would deeply appreciate it.  Can anyone here help me in this regard?  Thanking you in advance.

Steve

PS - Update on Gold … just looked at the hourly chart and noticed that my EWT turned positive right at the same time that the low was put in today and has been rising since as the price has risen.  The 8 still remains below the 21 but we are getting an upward hook on the 8 and the 21 has flattened out.  Due to the degree of the decline today, my EWI will meet resistance most likely around the $942 price level and this will likely cause it to pause at a minimum or it may once more decline which is normal and what I am expecting.  At that point is where I will again start to pay closer attention to the hourly chart.  If the decline in my EWI is less (higher) than the most recent low it put in and turns again higher, this will be a very positive short term signal.  It is possible that any retracement at that time could actually result in a double bottom being put in.  This is what I would like to see as the pattern in the chart.  This should all happen within 24-48 hours.  Because the daily has reversed and the price is rising, this has for at least now prevented the 8/21 crossing negatively on the daily chart.  Therefore damage was done with price and shorter term charts but the longer term charts have all thus far remained positive.

But this is more comfortable:

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FGC

What do you mean by bypass? First of all I live outside a small town….water and trash not to many accounts…they know us. As far as electric only prepaying one month. I realize this may not work for all, just offering ideas what one can do. Someone posted he felt that amounts that could be withdrawn from banks, there will be a limit on the amount withdraw… I agree, so something else to think about. Doubt if any of this will happen in Canada.

Yes, or this ……

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cheap shot and ferret no problemio…

these guys made it to shore,  :mrgreen:

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But eventually you will get to shore, somewhere.

Nice advantage, don’t you think Ferret?

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