FGC…………Uh, I think you deleted my vote.
What is this, Ohio?………………….LOL.
Hi Samb, thanks for the update……
It sure looks like that there isn’t going to be any shortage of the high reliefs !! They really are a beautiful coin but i can see the premiums slipping —–slipping—–slipping—
Interesting about the mints stopping the mintage of some of the coinage due to demand. Numismatics is interesting in that a person can sure see historical events in the coinage of the period of mintage. Uncirculated coins from the depression era are quite rare and fairly expensive. People simply could not hoard their change. If they had a quarter or dime, they spent it out of necessity, hence the shortage today of uncirculated coins of that era.
The 1950 D nickel is a good example of a ‘modern’ coin that was hoarded due to low mintage. At one time due to its low mintage and no supply in the market it was a $80 to $100 coin. That is when the hoarders started dumping their coins on the market. Now a nice one can be bought for $6 or $8 bucks. The uncirculated ones are more common than circulated ones. Just some mox-nix trivia……..
Dusty Samb Thanks
..I was feeling like the maytag repairman..nothing to do
…Fekete…..good stuff
DUSTY: Update
Ultra High Relief’s: US Mint is again raising the order limit from 10 now to 25.
Mint also stopping production of 2009 dimes & nickles. Lowest mintage since the early 1950’s. Excess coinage…piggy banks being opened and lack of retail demand. 2009 Denver mint marks are the key, but, nobody seems to be able to find them in their change.
(filler post=keep FGC happy)
Fully, here is a post for ya, a good read by Fekete
25 years ago I visited Comex at the World Trade Center, watching the feverish activity in the gold pit from behind the glass wall in the gallery. A gentleman standing next, unknown to me, remarked: “One day this make-believe charade will come to a bad end. All that these guys are doing down there is creating ever more claims to the same lump of gold — just as governments have been doing before they met their ignominious fate.”
Later that day I went to see the Director of Research of Comex. During our chat that lasted about an hour he intimated that he was greatly disturbed by the mystery that the gold basis has been steadily declining year in and year out. Perhaps it was the fact that he could not solve the puzzle that bothered him so much that he quit his job a few months later.
I must confess that I could not solve that puzzle myself until the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center came tumbling down many years later. For me it was a symbolic event, conjuring up the unknown gentleman and bringing back his cryptic remark. We are watching a game of musical chairs. When the music stops, paper claims to gold will be dishonored, and the gold futures markets will tumble down just like the Twin Towers.
In my earlier article The Dress Rehearsal for the Last Contango I observed that “a very strange phenomenon has been manifesting itself during the past thirty-five years, since the inception of gold futures trading. The basis as a percentage of the rate of interest, rather than remaining constant, has been vanishing and, by now, it has dropped to zero.” In the rest of that article I drew
* The title is a quotation from Diogenes Laertius (fl. 2nd century A.D.)
This was the favorite quotation of the late Chicago economist and gold expert Melchior Palyi.
attention to the apocalyptic consequences of the prospect of permanent backwardation in gold threatening the world, which is completely ignored by the makers of monetary policy, as I had opportunity to convince myself during my recent encounter with Paul Volcker, the Chairman of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. As I see it, the Debt Tower will topple, just as the Twin Towers of the World Trade center have, when hit by permanent gold backwardation. The reason is that the availability of gold is absolutely indispensable for maintaining our system of irredeemable debt. Only then will bondholders, like the participants of the game of musical chairs, be satisfied that there is a goodly number of vacant chairs available, so let’s get on with bond trading, gold futures trading, and let the music roar on.
But once permanent backwardation in gold establishes itself, gold is no longer available at any price. Bondholders will scramble to sell their irredeemable bonds before they lose all their remaining value. There is no other way to pacify bondholders than letting the game of musical chairs go on, that is, continue the charade of gold futures trading putting ever more claims on the same lump of gold.
The response to my article was overwhelming. I have never realized how many people out there are following my writings on the internet so closely. I want to thank every one of you and assure you that I take this responsibility most seriously. Even if I cannot answer every message I get from you individually, I will continue to do my best to explain the results of my research in simple, understandable terms.
Let me spell out for my readers what the vanishing of the gold basis means from the point of view of the puppet-masters of the gold futures markets. It means that they are fighting a losing battle. They are desperately trying to coax gold out of hiding by offering ever higher bribes — not in terms of the price but in terms of the basis. A low basis means that they offer to take your cash gold and let you have gold futures in exchange at a discount price. (The discount is contango minus the basis, so that the two are inversely related: as the basis falls, the discount increases.) This will allow you to invest an amount equal to the price of gold (less five percent, the margin on the gold future) in any way you want and, having paid the reduced contango, you can keep the profits. The point is that you will still benefit from any advance in the gold price, same as you would if you owned cash gold. You can have your cake and eat it. Remember, in a full carrying charge market, such as the gold futures markets were at inception, no such bribe money was offered.
But, lo and behold, people who are willing to take the bribe are few and far in between. So the pot is sweetened. The basis is lowered. Maybe at one point gold will be coaxed out of hiding, once the bribe is high enough.
No such luck. When the basis gets as low as zero, it means that the discount on gold futures has gone so high that it is equal to the opportunity cost of holding gold. Therefore, again, if you give up your cash gold in exchange for gold futures, you can invest an amount equal to the price of gold (less five percent) in any way you wish, but now they let you keep your profit in its entirety. Andyou can still benefit from any advance in the gold price, same as you would if you had the cash gold in your hands.
This is where we are now. Indications are that the game fish still does not bite. What now? Where do the futures markets in gold go from here? Well, the pot can be further sweetened. The basis can be pushed down into negative territory. Gold could be forced into backwardation. Let’s see what that means. It means that you can sell cash gold and buy it back for future delivery at an outright discount. Somebody wants your gold so badly that he is willing to pay you for the privilege of holding it for a few days, few weeks, few months paying your storage and insurance fees. You get your gold back at a cheaper price. You make a risk-free profit on this deal. If the gold price goes up in the meantime, you benefit fully, just as if you have held on to the cash gold.
Now risk-free profits are a promise of unlimited profits because, if you are nimble enough, then you can make any number of round trips. However, opportunities to earn risk-free profits from arbitrage do not last. Other nimble speculators would jump in and their unlimited action would close the spread that gave rise to the risk-free profit in the first place. Yet I predict that, after a period of initial vacillation between backwardation and contango (due to action by misinformed traders) gold will settle in permanent backwardation.
Wouldn’t that be loverly? Risk-free profits galore. No need to bother with storage charges and insurance premiums. Just sit back and enjoy the ride to riches.
But hey, wait a minute! Is the arbitrage really risk-free? You give up your cash gold, but what if your gold futures contract expires and they refuse to return your gold? Commodity markets can change the rules of the game mid-stream. They just declare ‘cash settlement only’ for outstanding contracts. Unsaid and unstated, not even mentioned in small print, is the fact that the trap door may be slammed shut. The investor who has taken the bribe is neatly separated from his gold when the hairy godfather waves his magic wand. “Gold is pale because it has so many thieves plotting against it.” There are all too many trap doors, sprung wide open, ready to devour gold belonging to the unweary.
That’s it. That’s why more people do not fall for the bribe even when tickled with promises of risk-free profits. The promise is mendacious. There is a risk: the risk that you lose your gold and you may never be able to buy it back at any price. There is no other explanation for the fact that the promise of risk free profits does not eliminate the discount on the futures price of gold. This is the true explanation for the coming permanent backwardation in gold.
Gold futures trading is clearly a con-game, but it is in a symbiotic relation with the regime of irredeemable currency and irredeemable debt, on which our ‘democracy’ is based. So we have a double con-game. We have a smaller con-game of gold future trading inflicted upon gullible people who want to have their cake and eat it and, then, we have the much bigger, all-embracing con-game of irredeemable currency, inflicted upon the rest of us, innocent bystanders. It is inflicted by the United States government that stoops so low as to trample on the Constitution mandating a metallic monetary system for this country precisely in order to outlaw all Ponzi-schemes. The government could never muster the moral courage to propose an Amendment that would make the Constitution conform to its monetary system — as it would open Pandora’s box. Rather, it would live with the onus of being in contempt of the Constitution. The government of the United States had looted gold from its own subjects in 1933. It looted even more gold from people not under its jurisdiction in 1971. It continues to operate in the same tradition.
The larger con-game of the irredeemable dollar could not have gone on so long, but for the smaller con-game of gold futures trading from which it takes its strength. Historically, every regime of irredeemable currency has met its Nemesis in no more than 18 years. The present experiment with irredeemable currency has been going on for twice that long. Of course, gold futures trading is a relatively new invention that was not available to the managers of the assignats, mandats, or the Reichsmarks. Nor was it available to the managers of the most recent experiment with the Zimbabwe dollar. But, as the relentless fall in the gold basis clearly shows, people cannot be conned forever. The clock is ticking. Sand in the hourglass keeps dropping. When it runs out, the present experiment with fiat dollar will also meet its Nemesis, as all the earlier experiments have. That’s the good news.
The bad news is that the government of the United States persists in continuing the double con-game and Ponzi-scheme through thick and thin. It is callous to the economic damage it is causing world-wide, and it disregards the danger of permanent gold backwardation that would inflict utter economic pain on the innocent people of this country, to say nothing of the people of the rest of the world. As explained above, it would make the runaway debt-tower of Babel topple, burying people under the rubble as the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center buried people working inside.
When that happens, the government of the United States will not have the excuse that it has not been warned. I have delivered the message in person to the Chairman of President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, Paul Volcker, when we met at the Santa Colomba Conference last July. I also consider it my moral duty to warn all the people who are willing to listen of the danger lying ahead. It is incredibly naïve to believe that gold can be removed from the international monetary system with impunity at the stroke of a pen, as they pretended to do it in 1973. The gold corpse still stirs. When it rises from its prostrate position it will, like Gulliver, dust off the Lilliputians who like ants have been scurrying all over his body. The day of reckoning will have dawned.
Keynesian and Friedmanite economists bear a special responsibility for the disaster. They dug in and monopolized their positions at universities and research institutes. They never allowed a free discussion on the gold standard. They did everything to aggrandize and perpetuate their own power as the sole advisors on government policy. They will not be able to live down this shame in a thousand years.
What is this G E Forum ?
….somebody throw up a post already…..
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floridagold @ 21:05 pm
The weather service isn’t too bad…
FGC Site running fine for me.
Site Slow and Sporatic tonite
Anyone else ?
silver_rider @ 19:34 pm
There is absolutely nothing that I believe that comes from the government, that is a very sad statement to make!
New Poll on a Slow late Summer Saturday Nite
….Vote Vote vote
Zimbabwe….Funny Place eh ?
“Dr Gono said the Minister of Finance Mr Tendai Biti was quite open-minded ”
…With a Central Bank Head Named….Gono …. and a Finance Minister named….. Biti
….No wonder their Dollar went from Ity Biti…to Gono !
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silverrider
Exactly..nukes fly first ..That is why I was telling these thick headed gentlemen down here to do a gold backed bond issue…it’s about a 1/32 ” into a 2″ thick group of heads….
floridagold @ 9:19 am.
Just the fact that one has to file a FOIA indicates to me that we don’t have truthfull and free information. I would have every cent that the government spends, creates, or destroys immediately available for analysis on the web along with the recipient, authorization, law or statute authorizing the expenditure. I believe that would go a long way towards keeping them outwardly honest.
Zimdollar - Any nation that truly has a gold or otherwise hard currency will be a target for all other nations on the fiat system. They want to be able to expand and contract, loot and steel at will. The criminals will not give up their free ride. Nukes will fly first.
WANKA
Oh… I didn’t read it… just said Yikes! ![]()
ipso facto 16:50 sorry wasn’t clear
the link was on the seekingalpha site. wj
hmmm
UAE Seizes North Korean Weapons Shipment to Iran (Update2)
By Bill Varner
Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) — The United Arab Emirates has seized a ship carrying North Korean-manufactured munitions, detonators, explosives and rocket-propelled grenades bound for Iran in violation of United Nations sanctions, diplomats said.
The UAE two weeks ago notified the UN Security Council of the seizure, according to the diplomats, who spoke on condition they aren’t named because the communication hasn’t been made public. They said the ship, owned by an Australian subsidiary of a French company and sailing under a Bahamian flag, was carrying 10 containers of arms disguised as oil equipment.
The council committee that monitors enforcement of UN sanctions against North Korea wrote letters to Iran and the government in Pyongyang asking for explanations of the violation, and one to the UAE expressing appreciation for the cooperation, the envoys said. No response has been received and the UAE has unloaded the cargo, they said.Bloomberg
Farmboy @ 17:00 pm
Good planning Farmboy! ![]()
Farmboy
Thanks amigo. Safety first!
Re: a gold backed currency… That would be great for Zimbabwe but I’m not holding my breath.
Zimdollar: ‘Not immediately’ (Full Article)
Forget the link, here’s the full article. Safety First!
Zimdollar: ‘Not immediately’
Sunday Mail Reporter
RESERVE Bank Governor Dr Gideon Gono has said he is not calling for the immediate return of the local currency but is urging stakeholders to start preparing for the introduction of the mineral-based Zimbabwean dollar because “better days are coming”.
The call for the introduction of the mineral-based currency has been supported by the Europe Africa Trade Representative for Nepad Council and Global Settlement Foundation, Dr James M Kajete, who has said the move would attract capital, develop infrastructure and restore prosperity.
In an interview last Friday, Dr Gono said the Minister of Finance Mr Tendai Biti was quite open-minded on the issue and they had both agreed that the macro-economic environment must first be stabilised before the introduction of the currency.
“It’s not about tomorrow but preparing for tomorrow. People should be open-minded to ideas and debate them without being emotional.
“We must start thinking of what we will do when good times roll because indeed better days are coming,” he said.
He said Fidelity Printers has outdated printing machinery and “in order to come up with up to date machinery, we will need to invest no less than US$250 million so it will take us no less than 18 to 24 months to get Fidelity going.”
“My Minister is quite open-minded about it and we both agree that our macro-economic environment must be stabilised first. Industry must be working at full capacity, our mines must be capacitated to produce the minerals that will back our currency.
“Our telecoms, rail, air and road transport infrastructure, electricity, fuel, agriculture, banking and other sectors of the economy need to be working efficiently at that time in order for the mineral-based currency to be introduced.”
He said he was advocating for the formation of a committee that would look into the currency issue.
Dr Gono said unconfirmed estimates had placed the value of un-mined gold reserves at around US$300 billion while the value of un-mined platinum and other derivatives from platinum mining was also around that figure.
“Combine these rough estimates with the value of our diamond, chrome, methane gas deposits (the largest in sub-Saharan Africa) and you will see that Zimbabwe is sitting on mineral deposits in access of US$1,5 trillion and yet we are battling to get just US$8,5 billion.
“The tragedy of it all is that outsiders know how rich we are hence some of the problems we have and the cry is that let us leverage what we have underneath which is God-given and make use of those resources for our economic well-being. After all, if you look at the history of African colonisation, it was not for the love of the people but the mineral resources in the continent,” he added.
In his letter dated, 18 August 2009, Dr Kajete said: “We read with interest that Mr Gideon Gono, the Governor of the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe has endorsed a return to a gold backed currency.
“We work with the Global Settlement Foundation which is at the forefront of a return to lawful, real, deliverable gold units of account. We would be delighted to introduce the Government of Zimbabwe to the GSF System and assist with a return to sound money which will attract capital, develop infrastructure, restore prosperity, and ensure peace.
“The Europe Africa Business Summit planned by Nepad Council for June 2010 will become a showcase of the new Africa that is willing to take the steps to restore the rule of law, adopt sound money and build a modern society.
“It will be a pleasure to ensure that Zimbabwe will feature as one of those countries that has gone from a failed currency to sound money system.”
Dr Gono’s call for the return of the local currency was met with strong criticism. Some believed that it was still premature to start talking about the return of the local currency while others queried why the central bank boss had not introduced the mineral-based currency during the era of the bearer cheques.
Farmboy
Since you’ve already been exposed…
maybe you could just post the whole story?
Farmboy @ 16:49 pm
I dumped my Norton program a few days ago and now have Avast antivirus. I haven’t seen that kind of pop up in years.
Yes… the Zimbabwe story.
I’ll pass the buck to the all powerful admin guys in deciding how we proceed. ![]()
